Curse

Zinger314 · Sep 10, 2006, 04:33 AM // 04:33

When Factions was released, I saw someone in Vizunah Square spamming "Rank 6 Well Spammer LFG." My group couldn't decide what was more pathetic: the fact that he was using a PvP indication to get into a group, or that he needed to be Rank 6 to press 2 buttons.

However, fast forward. Many avid PvErs now have a "Protector" title, wherether it be for Tyria or Cantha.

These titles, however, do indicate skill. They tell skill in PvE, and they all tell that you know how to press 2 buttons.

People in Nightfall, especially since there will be raving amounts of them in the later missions, may be more likely to pick a Protector of Cantha Minion Master as a opposed to one without the title.

What do you think?

I, personally, will be flaunting the title on my Necromancer.

Dougal Kronik · Sep 10, 2006, 04:43 AM // 04:43

I talk to the player, but yes the titles - "Protector" and "Grandmaster Cartographer" do get my attention first.

But if the player doesn't want to listen or play with the team (rare that happens) I don't take him.

Death Snapper · Sep 10, 2006, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

When Factions was released, I saw someone in Vizunah Square spamming "Rank 6 Well Spammer LFG." My group couldn't decide what was more pathetic: the fact that he was using a PvP indication to get into a group, or that he needed to be Rank 6 to press 2 buttons.

I too saw many people advertise their rank while looking for a group in factions PVE, its pretty funny.

I do think that some learders might look at titles and choose for that reason, but I think that most wont really care or bother to do so. Although the people looking for a group may advertise it in hopes of getting into a better group faster. I have not really notice many people in either current continent advertising that they are a protector of the other continent in their LFG statement yet though.

Nevin · Sep 10, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47

I judge by titles and gear usually. If I see a warrior in 15k glad's and then another with a mix match of plate/gladiator/collector. I'll take the 15k glad, its common sense.

Kool Pajamas · Sep 10, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

I really couldnt care less what titles someone has. Its not like this stuff is hard...

kimahri · Sep 10, 2006, 09:57 AM // 09:57

I never play with PuGs, so I really don't care.

Thallandor · Sep 10, 2006, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Well i havent really though about that until the OP mentioned it.

Perhaps now i will only form Bonus groups for Nightfall missions with those who have Protector of Tyria/Cantha and as usual reject any assassin who try to sneak into our groups who then pm the usual nonsense that they are the biggest fcuk who are expert at that mission and we are so gonna regret not having them in our group?

PvE PuGs are a joke...seriously.

Heroes FTW....then again last i remember this is a multiplayer game after all...

Edit for spelling grrr

Numa Pompilius · Sep 10, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

What do you think?

FWIW, I've noticed that the title "Protector of Tyria" does impress people, especially those without a title. Then again, maybe they're as impressed by "Survivor" or "Lucky" or even "Drunkard" titles too, what do I know.

Also I must say that none of the titles necessarily implies skill, even the Protector or Cartographer or Hero titles - you *can* get run or carried or cheese your way through everything.

Saphatorael · Sep 10, 2006, 12:21 PM // 12:21

I didn't even pay attention to titles when inviting people, nor have i received compliments for my Protector of Tyria title in Cantha (already had it 4 months before Factions' release, so-to-say)

Only dumb people will take people that have titles... just like the guy who only let people with good titles in hi 'Deep group' (during the Elite Weekend)... if you had 70% cartographer, he'd let you in... i mean, wtf?

The Fox · Sep 10, 2006, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

Well i havent really though about that until the OP mentioned it.

Perhaps now i will only form Bonus groups for Nightfall missions with those who have Protector of Tyria/Cantha and as usual reject any assassin who try to sneak into our groups who then pm the usual nonsense that they are the biggest fcuk who are expert at that mission and we are so gonna regret not having them in our group?

PvE PuGs are a joke...seriously.

Heroes FTW....then again last i remember this is a multiplayer game after all...

Edit for spelling grrr

Well, I just used PUG's to do all the missions up to the one after battle in the sewers, and yes a lot of groups are not organized; however, only one of those PUG groups didn't get masters, so generalizing them all as a joke might be an underestimation. BTW I have over 200,000 exp so far and haven't died while playing in those groups. Anyways, survivor is a title that does seem to hold some weight, but the blasted power levelers give it a bad rap since people could buy their way to it.

hehehe - consider this... A common PUG player may have bad groups and therefore difficult battles more often, which will more accuratly test and fine tune their abilities to come out of bad situations alive.

Does a better built group have more room for mistakes? Yes
Which group is harder to adapt to? a PUG
Which group would a new player that is simply told what skills to bring have a better chance of surviving? an Organized Group

Basically, organized groups are harder to put together but are then able to be lazier when playing.
So is it possible for PUG's to be the ultimate training grounds for making great players??? I'll leave that one in the air.

Stupid Shizno · Sep 10, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

the protector title is pointless, its char based. my necro has the protector of tyria, warrior has protector of canthan, does that mean my monk is a newb cause he wears the hero title? no. there is no way to tell just based on titles alone if the player is good, how many groups do you see in dunes now saying bonus only, just to get a title. it might have been more impressive if groups wernt made just to do a bonus and rush through it.

i choose people based off professions, yup. im a jerk. sorry, no W/mo or Mo/W in my groups.

Stupid Shizno · Sep 10, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

double post =[

Knightsaber Sith · Sep 10, 2006, 01:08 PM // 13:08

I guess it would make sense if titles did make the groups. Seems foolish to try to get in a pve group with a pvp title; I find that in general the higher the rank the more they suck at pve cause they're so used to pvp.

Guess I'll have to get the protector title which wont be hard. My warrior has it and my necro,ranger, and assassin just need to kill Glint. Whever I try to though, have the team always quits before we're even halfway through the mission..... sigh

p.s. Not bothering with Canthan protector cause I hate time trials in ever game >_<

S.U.K · Sep 10, 2006, 01:12 PM // 13:12

i don't care what groups i go in, i just like fighting monsters and if i finish the mission or get somewhere its just an awesome bonus, i dont mind doing it once or twice more. Seriously where has the passion for just fighting gone these days? since when was it all about getting somewhere.

Relambrien · Sep 10, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

I don't care about titles at all. Here is my test, and it usually weeds out the jerks who don't want to listen.

GLFM [x mission], whisper me!

Anyone who self-invites is rejected. Generally, the ones who actually do whisper are the ones who can do what they need to without being a jerk. Works fine for me ^^

falling demon · Sep 10, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by Death3D

i choose people based off professions, yup. im a jerk. sorry, no W/mo or Mo/W in my groups.

why? i ONLY play W/Mo for the Re-usable rez, since chances are, if we get wiped, its me or a monk left alive (or both) so i need a rez that is reusable (not necessary but very handy) and rebirth > res sig for PvE in my opinion

and Mo/W - whats wrong with that? sure i've met a few annoying 55's like that, that spend more energy on themselves keeping enchants up than actually healing, but most are eligible monks with a skill or two from the warrior line to defend themselves

what i dont take is the people who:-
advertise pvp builds
advertise titles
are disrespectful and/or malicious

and the titles thing: a person could be really experienced, but not have any titles due to not having even BEEN to all of the missions, some could still be working their way through the game

Blackhawk · Sep 10, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Death Snapper

I too saw many people advertise their rank while looking for a group in factions PVE, its pretty funny.

Yeah we had some plonker continually spamming his rank emote in our tombs group, and when a ranger unfortunately err-7'd he was like OMG!!!! Resign!!! Resign!!!! Resign!!!

Terrifying Hero????, Terrified Hero more like

nugzta · Sep 10, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

But you gotta admit pvp monk is better than pve monk, they know how to manage their energy rather than spamming "My energy is 0 of 54!"

RinkXing · Sep 10, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Yeah.. it's the sad truth but generally I've noticed that the protector title does indicate some sort of knowledge of the PvE game, while I was mission/bonusing the last 3 missions of Tyria for my Protector of Tyria title there was a Monk on our team with the Prot of Cantha title he seemed to be much more capable than the other monk we had.

But you will always have the experienced players who have not bothered getting the titles being ignored or rejected for someone else with one.

Also, Survivor (not Legendary but especially the second tier though) I can imagine being an indicator that the player may leave, on my Survivor Warrior I was asked a few times by PUGs if I would leave to retain my title.

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Originally Posted by nugzta

But you gotta admit pvp monk is better than pve monk, they know how to manage their energy rather than spamming "My energy is 0 of 54!"

I disagree, it just depends how good the player is at handling his/her profession really, not what game mode they play.

Horseman Of War · Sep 10, 2006, 03:16 PM // 15:16

No matter how you look at it- Cartographer and Protector titles are the ones that let us know that you REALLY went the distance with your character. There is nothing bad you can say to a person with those titles, because when it comes down to it- they have had more experience with every aspect of the (PvE) game. Simple as that.

one problem is, sometimes a monk doesnt want to heal or prot, and wants to work smiting. People want healers in pve.

This of course can make a monk re-do their build to heal your tired ass- and sacrifice their own usefulness to keep you alive.

Then again, many monks have a real attitude problem- they think that they can treat others however they want, and are usually the first person to leave a mission when things get rough.

Id rather have a group with a smite monk and a def rit lord over 2 elitist monks that are going to spam some crappy skills until they drop out.

With these new classes coming out, the monks are gonna have to step it up a bit (and to those of you who ARE good healers, please excuse me- Im not talking about you) because the dervish and paragon have some good self-healing.

It will also ALLOW monks to actually use their own unique builds rather than being a default healer.